Authentic Medicine Podcast #6: Corruption and Collusion of the MOC with Wes Fisher MD

Want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes for corruption in the medical industry?  In this episode we talk to Dr. Wes Fisher MD, who is the Director of Cardiac Electrophysiology at NorthShore University HealthSystem. He is the man, along with the Practicing Physicians of America organization, who is fighting the MOC or maintenance of certification scam we physicians waste time and a lot of money on. His group needs our support to continue the revolution to gain back control of our healthcare system.  Take a listen and hear about collusion, luxury condos, administrators making millions, Cayman Island hideaways and dirty cops.  Some important links:


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Douglas Farrago MD

Douglas Farrago MD is a full-time practicing family doc in Forest, Va. He started Forest Direct Primary Care where he takes no insurance and bills patients a monthly fee. He is board certified in the specialty of Family Practice. He is the inventor of a product called the Knee Saver which is currently in the Baseball Hall of Fame. The Knee Saver and its knock-offs are worn by many major league baseball catchers. He is also the inventor of the CryoHelmet used by athletes for head injuries as well as migraine sufferers. Dr. Farrago is the author of four books, two of which are the top two most popular DPC books. From 2001 – 2011, Dr. Farrago was the editor and creator of the Placebo Journal which ran for 10 full years. Described as the Mad Magazine for doctors, he and the Placebo Journal were featured in the Washington Post, US News and World Report, the AP, and the NY Times. Dr. Farrago is also the editor of the blog Authentic Medicine which was born out of concern about where the direction of healthcare is heading and the belief that the wrong people are in charge. This blog has been going daily for more than 15 years Article about Dr. Farrago in Doximity Email Dr. Farrago – [email protected] 

  7 comments for “Authentic Medicine Podcast #6: Corruption and Collusion of the MOC with Wes Fisher MD

  1. A.Regner MD
    June 7, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    Thank you, Dr. Wes, for your many insights and for sharing those . I am not impressed with the interviewer, he needs to work on his style. His angry, opinionated and four letter word qestions and interjections are inappropriate for a good interview. Plus, we really don’t need another ‘king of medicine’, the ABMS has claimed that title!

    • Doug Farrago
      June 7, 2018 at 6:15 pm

      No problem, A. Regner. I will cry myself to sleep thinking of ways to impress you. But you can’t take my throne or my crown. I am the King of Medicine. Maybe this website isn’t for you? Save yourself some heartache and delete the link.

  2. Kurt
    June 7, 2018 at 12:05 am

    Please accept a few Benjamins and oh my gosh, even though I can see the light at the
    end of the retirement tunnel, I hope sure as Hades I can dance on the current boards MOC

    50 hours of CME a year after initial certification and that’s it.
    Sure they can have a certifying agency say it’s relevant to apply but I must have a choice and
    after initial certification, that’s it.

  3. Dr. Jim
    June 6, 2018 at 8:43 am

    What a great podcast. I’m a resident, about to finish residency and I will take my initial board certification exam later this year. Some people say that I shouldn’t be concerned about the MOC at this point. But I disagree. After listening to Dr. Paul Teirstein of the National Board of Physicians and Surgeons (NBPAS) speak, it occured to me that the MOC was mostly a money-making move by the AMBS (and their subgroups.) If we don’t fight NOW, then things will just continue as is until I and others have to deal with the MOC in the future. Thank you Dr. Wes Fisher for doing all the hard work on fighting this corruption. With my low resident salary, I can’t give much to the gofundme fundraiser, but please accept my paltry $100 contribution. Money well spent.

    • Kurt
      June 7, 2018 at 12:47 am

      Unfortunately, your mistake was the specialty you chose. You are going to be dealing with so
      much bullcrap if this doesn’t change I expect you’ll regret your choice of specialty in 5 years.
      If you get into an ideal geographic area for DPC, you might stand a chance.

      With the current state of affairs, it is getting danged near impossible to do office, hospital practice and call as an FP anymore. EHR requires the physician to piss on everything and staff can no longer help you except I hear the staff nurses pleading for the “prior auths” that get me steamed to no end. (Note well, I swear freely and frequently and my staff knows I am cursing the system and not them. My first nurse lasted 24 years till her retirement and the second for 5 years until she burned out from patients anger. Still looking for a third one.)

      When I started out 30 years ago the question was, “Do you still do OB?” Most were bailing out due to the malpractice crisis and me, I was coming off a bummed pursuing of a surgery specialty and I wanted nothing to do with pregnant women. Five and a half years in residency with 2.5 of that in FP and I was ready to work. Practice drifted towards geriatrics and I liked it.
      Dropped “groin-a-cology” and peds due to time constraints and still did adult call and hospital practice.

      Now when I go to FP meetings the question is, ” Do you still do hospital practice?” Well, I can answer yes but not much longer. Once we are confined to the office, mark my words, one will be doing nothing more than what a half way decent nurse practitioner can do so you’ll be obsolete.
      Why should an administrator pay “doctor wages” when an NP can do the job. How do I know? I
      oversaw one for 20 years who did a pretty darned good job so as far as I’m concerned
      F.P. is heading toward life support and I might live to see it’s demise. Although, my NP always wrote for the patient to, “If no improvement, follow up with the primary care physician.” Only problem there was many patients ONLY wanted to see her and I never saw them except if they needed to go into the hospital. This is the NP’s “Throw the Doctor under the bus disclaimer.”

      So DPC offers hope. You get to pick and choose to a certain degree and turf the bad ones to the hospitalists who really don’t give-a-s#!t what happens on the “outside”. That’s not so bad ’cause you won’t give-a-s#!t what goes on in the “inside”. Anyone who says otherwise is a g.d. liar.
      Oh, there goes the continuity of care mantra for the AAFP.

      Getting rid of this MOC crap would likely lighten up on FP but since Dr. Fisher so adroitly
      pointed out, the ABFM (Academic Bastards and F#@k!^g Morons) are into the thick of things and not likely to change. You’ve been bamboozled
      Best of luck. You’ll need it.

  4. June 3, 2018 at 9:51 pm

    Hawgguy –

    Thank you. (And Doug, thank you for helping with this effort.) I firmly believe we can win this fight.

    For those who don’t have an hour to listen to the whole podcast – consider skipping ahead to 43:30 to hear why this is important for all physicians from all subspecialties to come together to combat the MOC corruption and what we’re planning to do about it. This is not a time to shy away. Get involved and help fund this drive. It’s ALL about the complaints.

    We. Can. Do. This.


  5. Hawgguy
    June 3, 2018 at 10:50 am

    Thanks for making the podcast available. I listened end-to-end. Wes is a rock star. This is a great (maybe the last) opportunity for collective action. We need to hit the gofundme link. Cheap, when compared to the coin we all drop on the completely corrupt MOC.

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